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Post by Spellman on Mar 19, 2020 22:12:15 GMT
This wipe we're probably going to be doing lots of canon clans, and while many of them can be balanced pretty well, one of the most polarizing but popular canon clans are Senju. They're infamous for commonly just being nonclan+, but I find that to be a very boring and arguably bad concept. This wipe we want to try something that's pretty different from canonical Senju to make it distinct from a "nonclan but better" clan.
The Senju clan hail from the Land of Fire, infamous for their militant upbringing at the right hand of the Shogun. While some see them as savages for their behavior and lack of restraint in combat, they show the utmost respect to those that outrank them or equal their rank in the Land of Fire's social hierarchy. Renown for their potent ability to specialize in one field in a savant-like manner for exponential success, it's rumored that Senju are pigeonholed into a single specialization at the critical period of age seven, and that being brought up any other way will cause them to lose out on their latent specialist ability. It is for this reason that Senju are broken up into militant branches, such as elemental, close-ranged, etcetera.
Traits: Senju come in all shapes and sizes (and even colors!). Male members of this clan commonly have a '-ma' suffix on their name.
CLAN PERKS
Senju Specialist (Passive) - As a senju who grew up on tradition, this individual has specialized in a single profession since their youth. The fruits of their training are prominent in all aspects of combat, given their formidable prowess in their specialized field and inherent disability in others.
Note: This Senju gains an additional tier to one specialization, and loses one tier in all other specializations. They also only have two specialization spots at all ranks.What're your thoughts on this radial change? Nothing's set in stone, far from it.
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Post by itome on Mar 19, 2020 22:17:49 GMT
It doesn't matter if they lose a tier in everything else because they'll be so godlike at those 1-2 things they do it doesn't even matter
This clan just makes non-clan useless and should be deleted or reserved for ec only
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Post by matthew on Mar 19, 2020 22:18:37 GMT
Ignoring how unbalanced this is, it just doesn't feel like Senju at all.
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Post by raymota on Mar 19, 2020 22:22:21 GMT
If you want it to feel like a different clan, then it shouldn't be just one perk that makes the character progress weirdly. If anything, I'd try to explore the spiritual side of the Senju, and try to base some buffs or something of the sort off of it. Maybe more feats in battle rather than simple enchancements, etc.
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Post by tincandle on Mar 19, 2020 22:30:30 GMT
Chiming in as well, this feels more like the Hagoromo from SG2, super specialists who are hilariously overpowered at their one specialization even if they can't branch out.
And from what I can tell, most players in general don't branch out aside from maybe getting one side-spec, so the downside is fairly non-existent. If anything, the usual Senju perk of letting them have lots of specs would work fine, because it means that they can be extreme generalists as long as they're willing to acknowledge that they'll be spreading their points thin. Maybe a perk that lets them ignore the limitations of how many professions they can buy without giving discounts?
Another possibility could just be the typical Senju Vitality tree, where instead of giving them more or less skills than everyone else, you lean into the theme of senju as having massive amounts of health. It'd help give them an identity (insane tanks) that isn't just the "better nonclan" one that comes up a lot.
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Post by itome on Mar 19, 2020 22:40:24 GMT
I geniunely don't think you can salvage Senju as an idea unless you just make Mokuton a normal kkg without expecting it to be op
There whole thing is:
- high chakra(non-clan+)
- good in a shitload of specs(non-clan+)
how do you create a clan from that which doesn't feel like just non-clan but better? it's the same issue with uzumaki imo..
Senju being limited to 2 specs doesnt even matter because 2 is all you need..
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Post by red on Mar 19, 2020 22:56:21 GMT
You either have Senju or you don’t. They’re not one of the clans that are really meant to be balanced.
My recommendation is if you don’t want them overpowered, make them like the Sarutobi normally are in any NRP and make them name-only with no special perks, outside of like the one Senju with Mokuton.
If you want them to be special, make them app only. You’re not really going to capture the ‘really fucking good at everything’ feel Senju are meant to have otherwise.
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Post by Chinchillas on Mar 20, 2020 10:52:06 GMT
The Fanju Clan
For the sake of argument, I'll be mathing out at D+ at the start.
-They'll have 1 T3 spec and 1 T1 spec.
Now what does mean in terms of mechanics?
Jutsu/CQC speed for the T3 will be capped at T5 speed. The thing with this though is that you won't be hitting the cap. Infact, the highest you'll get is T3 if you spec into control/strength. Which coincidentally would also be the attack speed of every other person in the game who wanted to attack fast, as T2 Prof caps at T3 Speed.
The Senju has decided they want a T3 Speed B rank; to grime some poor fool who only has T2 Profs and can't get a B rank. If you're using the chakra reserve outline, the D+ would have 17 chakra(assuming T2 reserves. 22T3/12T1). This means you can spam the jutsu twice and hope that both of those land OR use any other jutsu and limit yourself to finish the fight with the one B rank. So if you get hit by this it's a severe injury and fight is.. assumedly over(unless you have T3 Endurance which only means Moderate injury).
Ok ok, but you know, that's only D+ rank. Once they move up ONE more rank they can get A ranks and one S rank. Now, The difference between D+ flashing B ranks and C- flashing A/S rank(s) is pretty insane(though S rank is limited to C+ due to chakra). A ranks can do huge AOEs that no one else will be able to deal with. Don't even mention S rank power. T3 Stamina/Control Senju launching out 15x9 A rank jutsus at C(-) and will not be cash money. I promise that. If it was the old rule of only being able to buy 1 tier higher than your rank, this wouldn't be a problem. Alas, prof dictates your buying power so Senju will be godly. But as it is? No one else can even make an A rank until B- but these senju will have an S rank and a couple A ranks at C?C+? I'm almost certain this will be gorked.
IMO
This clan will obviously be top tier in whatever they do because.. that was the goal. Once they get C- though, it doesn't even matter what they're lacking in because raw power will make up for everything.
This isn't Senju, and I saw the goal was to make it open. Both can/will be aids, but there will only be 1-3 senju if it's the locked old version. Who knows how many if it's this open, best in slot version. Pick your poison, I guess.
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Post by mime on May 4, 2020 12:24:55 GMT
Why does every NRP buff Senju?
Do not make them nonclan but better. Please.
Senju should just be extra stamina + a shot at getting mokuton. Nothing more, nothing less. Theyre a low tier clan (unless they get mokuton).
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