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Post by Schlippers on Feb 10, 2019 16:02:53 GMT
All in all I'm a lil' sad a lot of people I genuinely like rping with have left the game, lost trust in the admin/the system and don't find enjoyment on WoN because of the three things I'm about to list or other factors. If there're changes though I guess things can get better but the general vibes have just been Hiazi and Milly working their asses off, eventmin running a few missions for a pb that dimnishes by the day and a general sense of disillusion I've seen on wipe after wipe of NRP. Usually when I start seeing feedback threads like this I start working on the next few chars since I just assume wipe's incoming or another NRP is about to pop up.
Just about everything I could think to bring up has been stated already by others who are far better at describing the current and past state of WoN but if I had to point to anything in particular from what people who are no longer on the game have said to me and my own experiences as well I'll throw my hat behind the following stuff:
-Progression: After having sat on B- and the same size check for two and a half months regardless of what my char did during the week or what happened I could somewhat confidently say the system needed some tweaking. After a month of playing and reaching that coveted C+, stoked to experience some kind of, I don't know, incentive to keep at it powerwise only to have to pull out teeth to get the initial steps of a unique and then see everyone and their mother get dunked on by fresh chars I just assumed just about everyone sucks ass or admins think everyone sucks ass. Reading the TS post and talking to an admin about it just reinforced that yeah, progression is seen as fine and dandy. (ofc, this always happens. It's either too lenient or too stingy and from previous posts like this we all know there'll be complaints either way.)
-Handling of DR:s/Uniques (As stated before it's demotivated some- read a solid amount of people). I can't really put it better than Jade or CNK did . At the same time considering I got a SHITTON of points for my DR, enough to flesh out a unique and have a bunch of points to spare I'm part of the problem. Only difference is that if anyone's fighting that char they're up against an actual late-teens/adult char and I'm pretty sure that stings a lil' less than watching pre-Shippuden Naruto Jr. who just stomped your ass and everyone else's ass without needing to pull out Initial.
-Admin-Player interaction: Gotta refer to the 'Tribalism' point iterated previously. I keenly remember a solid chunk of Ame just being gone because of behind-the-scenes stuff. Not very cash-money and not very fun, especially when nothing seemed to be done in order to fill the vaccuum of power.
(Big ups to the people still putting in effort by the way and the new players who've stuck around)
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Post by themagnificentd on Feb 11, 2019 4:19:55 GMT
It's as Jade said. No one addressed the bias and seemed to instead want to pretend it wasn't there and sweep it under the rug. Infact I DMed both Hiazi and Danni about it, because 4 weeks in of activity I wasn't B- and felt genuinely cheated(Only because ppl somehow were getting it in less than 2 weeks? I wouldn't have had an issue otherwise, considering it took just about that much time to reach that benchmark on Thane). I even stated it clearly "It isn't fair" and named them both in my example. All I got told was "We'll bring it up in admin chat" and never a direct explanation that this act was a fuck up LET ALONE any form of remedying this fuck up would be made. It's almost like ppl were scared to make Jumpy and Nick upset about it and that they would quit or something? These mistakes had been made once or twice on MoS but we took them ranks right away when the admin team redebated it(Pretty sure one of Scotts chars got his TS then had to redo it back to C+ to name an example).
Now, I'm not going to repeat obvious points here of bias, nor the issues pertaining application times. It's blatantly clear how retarded these two issues have been handled. Instead I also want to address both Head Admins. Wow. It really feels like neither of you two could give a shit. Cid? Where the fuck are you in all of this? It's blatantly clear you don't even pay any attention to your own game. It genuinely fucking shocks me that it's your damned admins I see stressing about this shit and serving as the faces that go out of the way to figure out what the issue is, rather than yourself seeing as its your own game. Now, I'll offer some ease on Danni. From the get go of the wipe they were actively interested in running it, but shit. Half way through it feels like you stopped caring as well. I do see you posting and commenting and such here and there. But it genuinely seems like you wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if the game went down now, where as yet again, it seems like the admin team look to be ready to pull their hair out. I couldn't even approach you about a jutsu application that had been sitting for a week and you were the one seemingly handling it. I just simply can't believe it takes you a week to think about these things when you don't play the game and have a minimalistic work load in comparison to the rest.
In any event, WoN had a handful of great funny moments, but it's overshadowed by so many glaring issues. I just don't see them being addressed in the slightest and for that reason I don't think there will be a WoN 3 tbh. If there was I don't think I could turn around and play it because it just seems like after wipe 1's issues came full circle into this wipe, there's no reason to believe a third wipe would fix this.
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Post by Milly on Feb 11, 2019 6:32:10 GMT
It's as Jade said. No one addressed the bias and seemed to instead want to pretend it wasn't there and sweep it under the rug. Infact I DMed both Hiazi and Danni about it, because 4 weeks in of activity I wasn't B- and felt genuinely cheated(Only because ppl somehow were getting it in less than 2 weeks? I wouldn't have had an issue otherwise, considering it took just about that much time to reach that benchmark on Thane). I even stated it clearly "It isn't fair" and named them both in my example. All I got told was "We'll bring it up in admin chat" and never a direct explanation that this act was a fuck up LET ALONE any form of remedying this fuck up would be made. It's almost like ppl were scared to make Jumpy and Nick upset about it and that they would quit or something? These mistakes had been made once or twice on MoS but we took them ranks right away when the admin team redebated it(Pretty sure one of Scotts chars got his TS then had to redo it back As far as your rank up goes? I'm gonna be honest with you chief. During that time period, I was trying to handle konoha rank ups and seraph was trying to handle ame rank ups. Your name was never brought up. I can only speak for myself here, mind you.... But since I obviously wasn't rping with you nearly everyday, I didn't think about it because I assumed your rank was fine, so I do sincerely apologize about that. As soon as I heard I immediately said to give you b-, because I knew you were doing stuff. Like you just had that event w/ the Hokage and stuff. Also even though I didnt quote it, Dani was never the head admin. Not the wipe runner. Just an admin.
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Post by themagnificentd on Feb 11, 2019 6:55:37 GMT
It's as Jade said. No one addressed the bias and seemed to instead want to pretend it wasn't there and sweep it under the rug. Infact I DMed both Hiazi and Danni about it, because 4 weeks in of activity I wasn't B- and felt genuinely cheated(Only because ppl somehow were getting it in less than 2 weeks? I wouldn't have had an issue otherwise, considering it took just about that much time to reach that benchmark on Thane). I even stated it clearly "It isn't fair" and named them both in my example. All I got told was "We'll bring it up in admin chat" and never a direct explanation that this act was a fuck up LET ALONE any form of remedying this fuck up would be made. It's almost like ppl were scared to make Jumpy and Nick upset about it and that they would quit or something? These mistakes had been made once or twice on MoS but we took them ranks right away when the admin team redebated it(Pretty sure one of Scotts chars got his TS then had to redo it back As far as your rank up goes? I'm gonna be honest with you chief. During that time period, I was trying to handle konoha rank ups and seraph was trying to handle ame rank ups. Your name was never brought up. I can only speak for myself here, mind you.... But since I obviously wasn't rping with you nearly everyday, I didn't think about it because I assumed your rank was fine, so I do sincerely apologize about that. As soon as I heard I immediately said to give you b-, because I knew you were doing stuff. Like you just had that event w/ the Hokage and stuff. Also even though I didnt quote it, Dani was never the head admin. Not the wipe runner. Just an admin. <iframe width="20.04" height="9.38" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77129677" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -6px; width: 20.04px; height: 9.38px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="20.04" height="9.38" id="MoatPxIOPT0_71028002" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 946px; top: -6px; width: 20.04px; height: 9.38px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="20.04" height="9.38" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59880991" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 405px; width: 20.04px; height: 9.38px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="20.04" height="9.38" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16368988" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 946px; top: 405px; width: 20.04px; height: 9.38px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> It doesn't change much about the points I made. Head admin or not, they were still pulling the reigns about more than the rest of the team(Which was joking-not jokingly said in discord many times over). If anything, them not being a head admin reinforces greatly what I have to say about Cid, the sole owner of the game who does nothing.
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Post by idu on Feb 11, 2019 11:13:09 GMT
i aint really caught up with the won drama and such but what made me bounce entirely was jus the lack of pvp. the environment felt more pve than anything. and being that there weren't many player villains when i was active it became difficult to rly do anything bc any small altercation - or another player committing a mistake would be circumvented by the mass of players looking for combat but too attached to play a villain role.
the story itself was fine but it didn't have the same feel after the torch was passed.
i didnt have many personal issues with the admin team aside from a few hiccups but it's stuff that got sorted out immediately.
a lot of won's issues come from player mentality and it's not necessarily easy to fix that. there are trust issues between player(s) and admin(s) which is warranted due to experience, there are players who make the game unplayable to others - whether they do it on purpose or not is another thing. it can be argued that yes, you can ignore these ppl, they don't have to exist to you however somethings are just rly hard to ignore.
lot of ppl said their piece and some make sense n others not so much.
ppl begin to distrust admins bc their build n shit they app'd for get leaked to other players. admins begin to distrust admins bc admin chat logs get leaked. even when i was on the team certain things were being thrown around to players that they didn't rly need to know.
i'll keep it a buck, i get it, ppl have friends and they say shit to them all the time about things they see. it happens naturally. if a player have a concern and they're being genuine about it, don't hit up todd howard from accounting to post their logs n giggle about it on the side u got your team to talk to, even if yall bumpin heads yall still gotta find some middle ground to work together. if yall can't come to terms, then fuck it bounce. byond not worth stressin over, and it definitely ain't worth getting into 3hr long arguments about why you think the person you gotta work with is retarded.
my advice to the team is, take the game from a different angle, more so try to think of how things are in your player's perspective. if you feel your boy don't deserve a 7 on their log check then damn give them a 5 or 6. i know ima suspect of being more lenient toward ppl i like n im not a saint myself. but if your friend want that hefty unique spot, make them work for it. if they aren't rly doing well, tell them what they can do better. if they get fed up - oh well at least you stuck true to your duty. and pls for everything that it's worth, i'll even sacrifice tarps in your honor in other nrp games, shit that's suppose to stay in admin chat should never be mentioned outside of it.
also also, you won't really be able to avoid the bias comments cus they'll happen regardless of what yall do, that's the community's normal way of talking. but at the same time have that person prove that they earned their shit. yea ppl can argue "fuck son if ima put x amount of time into this game best believe im gettin what i want" n thats chill, but while you're putting in that time show that u have no qualms with proving yourself time and time again to both your friends and ppl who dont know you.
shit some folks might say i aint deserve jiongu, im cool with that. but even as a villain with one other dude in a pb of 50+ i managed to stir the pot well enough to earn the power i got before i got burnt out entirely.
my advice for players that wanna keep playing, don't be afraid to speak your mind. ppl might meme you if you have an unpopular opinion but dont let that keep you quiet - unless you're complaining for all the wrong reasons. certain admins may ignore you or say rly rude shit to you when you try to mention your concern, go to the one(s) that will talk things out with you. as silly as hiazi may be, dude actually will listen to your issues. he won't meme you, he won't post your logs to their secret group chat and giggle about it, he won't say something rude n never respond to your concerns. genuine concerns, i recommend you bring up to them however be reasonable, please do.
the head admin don't necessarily need a character if they don't want one, but they have to show presence at least.
anyway i'll summarize this in a few bullet points.
- lack of natural pvp/not many ppl willing to try out the villain role. - don't be afraid to tell ur homeboy no, if you're afraid they'll be upset with you over a 2d naruto game then pls rethink how close yall actually are. - trust issues between player and admin. - admins, be more detailed when explaining things, give details why something was denied - maybe you guys felt it wasn't fitting, maybe they didn't earn it, etc etc - explain it to them and if you're really up for it tell them what they could do to improve. - pls no more leaks, i don't think me saying this will really prevent it from happening but it's a poor thing to do when you were trusted with the ability to see things players cannot. - players, i know some of yall tried to state your concerns to admins and some of them did something distasteful and it led to a bad experience, find another admin who's more willing to talk things out. - pls only enable players who actually earn their shit, games are suppose to be fun but since nrp turned competitive there has to be some grind.
i might be missing shit but idrc, i hope i got my point across at least.
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