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Post by Ignis Flame on Jan 7, 2019 6:37:32 GMT
Nintaijutsu is, unsurprisingly, really fucking good. Like, holy shit taijutsu actually comes and is right up there with kenjutsu again, or at least - In my opinion they finally tie up / match now, not before. So much utility, so so much.
.. But there's another thing, and maybe I might be off my rocker - But should nintaijutsu take a specialization slot? Personally it feels like a whole specialization on its own, and the more affinities you get the more crackhead you could potentially become.
It's an "open" thing to everyone, and I suppose, not everyone should be able to dabble inside of nintaijutsu without putting down an extra oomph of dedication into it. Buying it on its own is a really large build up, but you were going to buy all of those perks anyway building up to your Tai/Ele build.
What're your thoughts? I've been weighing pros and cons to it and haven't really decided on a definite answer for myself, I'm curious what others may think.
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Post by lrn2h8 on Jan 7, 2019 7:33:42 GMT
From a pretty biased person, kill Kenjutsu plz. This is a jutsu game, not a 'who can slash their dick around the most' game.
FR though, nintaijutsu should(?) be fine as long as getting in close isn't too easy. I'm a newbie who's been in a grand total of 0 lethal player to player interactions though, so don't take my word for it.
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Post by themagnificentd on Jan 7, 2019 8:36:43 GMT
Honestly, I never understood why it wasn't made a Semi-Unique to begin with. No-Handseal CQC jutsu is dangerous as fuck and it really ISN'T that common in the Naruto universe. Not everyone could do it. Now every B- and higher dude and their mother is seemingly able to fuse the two together.
But focusing on the main subject, if we want to take the route of "NinTai takes a spec slot", we'd probs have to make elemental kenjutsu take a profession slot as well? (I can punch fire with NinTai, but I can sling fire with NinKen as well and make like, several custom ninjutsu techs from my sword just as I would my fists).
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Post by Ignis Flame on Jan 7, 2019 9:10:36 GMT
Honestly I hate techniques like issei and ‘I shoot blasts of elemental chakra with my sword’ more than nintai. Perhaps both should get a look over.
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Post by syeburn on Jan 7, 2019 9:43:16 GMT
i think its kinda dumb that literally anyone who has t2 element and t2 tai can just decide to spec into nintai for no downside. like the only fucking dude we see in the show had it as HIS THING. literally one dude in all of naruto - and it wasn't like scorch release where it was some bullshit we got shown then dropped it was the raikages main skillset that he used to annihilate people LOL
im a big fan of nintai but yes it should probably require a spec.
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Post by jackerino on Jan 7, 2019 11:40:59 GMT
nintai doesn't require a spec?
lol u admins are funy guys ur really funy xD
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Post by Mimdoka on Jan 7, 2019 12:30:05 GMT
I'd favor it taking an additional specialization slot as an appropriate balance change. Nintai, or rather just any combining an element with taijutsu and kenjutsu, is really easy and - most of the time - feels like it is done by straight ninjutsuists that reach B- and can become it to shore up their CQC with no downsides. Taking a spec slot would make non-clans that already only have 3 slots at B (heavily assuming they've taken an affinity) require Nintai, Tai/Ken and Elements as their remaining specs; so, now cqc and ninjutsu and the combining of both becomes their whole thing, rather than feeling like a free buffer to people that are already strong.
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Post by Jade on Jan 7, 2019 12:48:08 GMT
I agree with it taking a spec slot for two reasons.
1- it’s overpowered as fuck. No handseals. A big advantage in this type of NRP. Most nintai attacks can compete with handseals techniques, especially from the ones I have seen. Also a good majority aren’t cqc fighters that get nintai. Usually just primary elementist making use of a great opportunity. (Can’t knock anyone for that.)
2 - As for kenjutsu. I don’t think it is that even tbh (as someone wrote before me.) Having your sword catch fire, or imbued with lightning/Wind is completely different than someone shooting vacuum punches and triple jumping in the air. (Just using examples. Not throwing shade.) Issei and Rupture are questionable. But they are just pure chakra and definitely not treated with much respect damage wise.
In all?????? A profession slot would be reasonable. Or semi at worse. It’s a cool function but I don’t believe everyone should have it.
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Post by birb on Jan 7, 2019 13:54:22 GMT
just when i thought hyuuga were gone, they brought in fuuton nin-tai
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Post by matthew on Jan 7, 2019 13:55:51 GMT
just when i thought hyuuga were gone, they brought in fuuton nin-tai at least fuuton nin-tai has a weakness... :sob:
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Post by themagnificentd on Jan 7, 2019 14:09:38 GMT
I agree with it taking a spec slot for two reasons. 1- it’s overpowered as fuck. No handseals. A big advantage in this type of NRP. Most nintai attacks can compete with handseals techniques, especially from the ones I have seen. Also a good majority aren’t cqc fighters that get nintai. Usually just primary elementist making use of a great opportunity. (Can’t knock anyone for that.) 2 - As for kenjutsu. I don’t think it is that even tbh (as someone wrote before me.) Having your sword catch fire, or imbued with lightning/Wind is completely different than someone shooting vacuum punches and triple jumping in the air. (Just using examples. Not throwing shade.) Issei and Rupture are questionable. But they are just pure chakra and definitely not treated with much respect damage wise. In all?????? A profession slot would be reasonable. Or semi at worse. It’s a cool function but I don’t believe everyone should have it. Having your sword catch fire, or imbued with lightning or wind is not as good as those examples you listed, yes. But the point I've made is that all you need is Elemental Weapons and you can accomplish that + create techniques that let you shoot lightning blasts, swinging infernos around, etc. Anything you can accomplish with a NinTai perk, you can accomplish with the Elemental Weapons perk. It lets you buff your weapons + build sealess jutsu. So any changes made to NinTai should also take place with Elemental Weapons. (Again, not every person and their mother could accomplish this feat. Sasuke. Bee. Asuma. That's about it. Does anyone remember Anbu Kakashi imbuing his katana with one of his four elements?)
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Post by Jumpy on Jan 7, 2019 14:18:56 GMT
it should've been a semi all along
manipulator allows you to make jutsu out of thin air without weaving handseals using the cards that you already have and is a T4 for nintai you just gotta get a T3 and get your jutsu approved, which aren't too difficult since most admins will try to work something out with you the only time where manipulator is better is in the event that you also have tweaker, and even then you're getting a full unique with double the price of a perk that doesn't even require you to have T3/4 in both tai and the element to make A and S ranks, but rather either the element or taijutsu, so even for low budget "i didn't expect to get this" B-, it's still affordable
ultimately at this point there's not much that you can do aside from telling people you're turning nintai into a semi-unique and asking people if they want to refund everything they got from it or just make it a spec (but then most people are capped on specs anyway)
like i said when the timeskip rolled around and T3s became available:
Jumpy11/17/2018 is nintai rly open for everyone i hope not there's no reason not to get it and everything is gonna become dbz avatar naruto
honestly it's good that there is a nintai perk, since it's even more of a headache to see people randomly having sealess jutsu (hello last wipe), but it shouldn't be available to everyone, though the same goes for elemental chakra flow if you start making techniques with it that are definitely not balanced (issei, rupture, the B-rank that lets you shoot out any element you have and makes the actual fire B-rank that does that completely pointless). more often than not kenjutsu techs won't have any crazy effects, but that doesn't mean you won't get approved for a move that allows you to stab the ground with your sword and channel raiton through it like you've got chidori nagashi except it's sealess
it also makes no sense to have base chakra flow before elemental chakra flow since the former is literally stated to be much more difficult to draw out than your element, which anyone could do on leaves and stuff. in my opinion both chakra flow and nintaijutsu should be treated the same way. not everyone in naruto used crazy lightning blades or enhanced their kunai with fuuton, hell, naruto himself knew how to flow his element and refine it to its peak but never flowed it into his kunai that literally snapped clashing against a chidori sword. make it it's own semi-unique, pick one element (just like nintai) and then you can have paths the bloom from there (ie: hien, landmine fist, lightning armor, kaengiri, etc). it would be way better of a buildup if you started off building your spec early on with small and not too strong moves that lead into your big thing rather than having people literally be able to roll up with ken, tai and ninjutsu as their spec throwing a billion issei at you to force you up-close before beating your ass with nintaijutsu and never having the need to get a supplementary spec like weaponist, fuuin, medic or stealth to deal with the weakness they should have
maybe i shouldn't have quick replied this
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Post by birb on Jan 7, 2019 14:19:14 GMT
Having your sword catch fire, or imbued with lightning or wind is not as good as those examples you listed, yes. But the point I've made is that all you need is Elemental Weapons and you can accomplish that + create techniques that let you shoot lightning blasts, swinging infernos around, etc. Anything you can accomplish with a NinTai perk, you can accomplish with the Elemental Weapons perk. It lets you buff your weapons + build sealess jutsu. So any changes made to NinTai should also take place with Elemental Weapons. (Again, not every person and their mother could accomplish this feat. Sasuke. Bee. Asuma. That's about it. Does anyone remember Anbu Kakashi imbuing his katana with one of his four elements?) imo nin-tai is a lot stronger than elem chakra flow, since it lets u use almost any part of your body (doesn't it technically give you manipulator?? which is a t4 unique), and gives a lot more utility/defense (also doesn't rely on you being able to reach for ur sword to use), and afaik admins aren't too keen on letting people get defensive elem chakra flow (or let alone chakra flow) techniques.
heck, can't wait to become the avatar on my next char.
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Post by themagnificentd on Jan 7, 2019 14:40:26 GMT
Having your sword catch fire, or imbued with lightning or wind is not as good as those examples you listed, yes. But the point I've made is that all you need is Elemental Weapons and you can accomplish that + create techniques that let you shoot lightning blasts, swinging infernos around, etc. Anything you can accomplish with a NinTai perk, you can accomplish with the Elemental Weapons perk. It lets you buff your weapons + build sealess jutsu. So any changes made to NinTai should also take place with Elemental Weapons. (Again, not every person and their mother could accomplish this feat. Sasuke. Bee. Asuma. That's about it. Does anyone remember Anbu Kakashi imbuing his katana with one of his four elements?) imo nin-tai is a lot stronger than elem chakra flow, since it lets u use almost any part of your body (doesn't it technically give you manipulator?? which is a t4 unique), and gives a lot more utility/defense (also doesn't rely on you being able to reach for ur sword to use), and afaik admins aren't too keen on letting people get defensive elem chakra flow (or let alone chakra flow) techniques.
heck, can't wait to become the avatar on my next char.
You can use your hands and feet, yeah. But if ur a Ken user, you can be dual wielding. Whilst it's technically two more striking limbs over a ken user, it doesn't change that if two cqc dudes, one tai and one ken clash, it won't be a fact that's taken advantage of. Most NinTai techs come from one limb, so it's not hard to match it with a sword. You don't see a NinTai dude throwing out four different attacks from all four limbs at the same time. (I hope fucking not at least). There's huge benefits and weaknesses to the whole swords vs fists/feet debate, which isn't what I'm tryna get into in this thread. The point is that yeah, there isn't really "defensive" techniques made available, but shit. Issei and several other Kenjutsu database techs can be picked up by ANYONE. You pick up elemental chakra flow and you can just mix the two. It -is- comparable in straight BOWER to the NinTaijutsu perk. So it's sort of as Jumpy says. Limit it for dudes. Might be too late to make it a semi now??? But by chance we can at least have this shit take up a profession slot and better yet. MAKE IT SO ITS RESTRICTED TO ONE ELEMENT. Ohnoki had ONLY earth NinTaijutsu. Not fire. Not wind. Not dust. Sasuke had lightning sword. Not fire sword. A (Former Raikage) only have lightning NinTaijutsu. Not Earth. Not Fire. Restrict this shit, for real.
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Post by hiazi on Jan 7, 2019 14:44:17 GMT
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